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Ladies and
gentlemen, Hans Zimmer!

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There's a word I don't use
very often, which is genius.

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Hans Zimmer is one of them.

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He has the incredible
capacity to reinvent himself

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without losing his identity.

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He's a storyteller.

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He tells stories with music.

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It's not a job.
It's like a calling.

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It's like a crazy thing.

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I can't imagine
not writing music.

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Hans Zimmer is
the world's most sought after

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and prolific movie composer.

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He's written music
for blockbusters, romcoms,

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animations and even
iconic nature documentaries.

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This is a dangerous place.

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He's fascinated
just by sound itself.

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He has all kinds
of technical ideas

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and tricks going
on at any one time.

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Throughout his career,
he's broken all the rules

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about how
you compose music for films.

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I don't think anybody's
ever won an Oscar for a score

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that blatantly is
bagpipes, heavy-metal guitars

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and a woman screaming at you.

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This is great!

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He doesn't
want to read a script.

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He wants me to tell him,

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"What is the movie
you think you're making?"

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It's like being psychoanalysed.

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Even if you're not hearing
what you want to hear always,

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the project
gets better every time

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it gets under
Hans's microscope.

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He remains a child, in a way.

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And I think you have to
have that quality in order

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to sort of be a successful
musician for all that time.

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I've been doing
this for, what, 40 years?

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Somebody the other day said,
"When are you gonna slow down?"

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"What do you mean 'slow
down'? I'm just getting going!

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I'm just getting started."

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Hans is
experimenting with some ideas

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for the soundtrack of a new BBC
Natural History documentary.

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Just try to get to something
that sounds remotely frozen.

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I'm using a bit of noise,

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make it a bit more tundra-like.

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You know, I mean, it's just...

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I like the idea
that there's, like, a wind

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rattling across everything.

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I'm literally making it as
we're talking about things.

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Er... Let's say...

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Let's go and use this, too.

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It's relatively chilly,
but we can make it chillier.

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Bit of frozenness.

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The problem is
that wind across a tundra

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and bacon
frying are very similar.

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This is a stronghold

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for one of Antarctica's
most remarkable inhabitants.

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The seriousness and the depth
that we bring to this project

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comes a lot
from me being a kid.

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One of my main
memories is just shortly

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before my father's death,
where he took me to the Rhine,

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which was
completely covered in foam.

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And he was explaining to me,

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"You know, look,
we're destroying the world.

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We now need to go and
do something about that."

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And I think it hugely
influenced me in our work

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with Sir David Attenborough.

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Hans was born in
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in 1957 into a Jewish family.

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I knew what
the Nazis had done to the Jews.

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It would be
brought up quite a lot.

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The fear was
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If you tell the neighbours,

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your best friend can
turn on you within one moment."

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While still a child,
Hans's family was torn apart

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by a bolt from the blue.

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The week before
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my birthday was on a Sunday --

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my dad died on either
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And on Monday, my mother,
who was totally overwhelmed,

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basically dropped me off
for my first day at school.

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It was like,
you know, all these kids,

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terrible teachers
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Then came
the moment where she said,

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"You know, I think
you should have piano lessons.

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Do you want piano lessons?"

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And as a 6-year-old,
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you think that stuff
you hear in your head,

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a magical man is going to come

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and tell you how to
put it under your fingers.

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And, of course,
that's not at all what happens.

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Some horrible German comes who
raps you across the knuckles

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if you don't
play your scales right.

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You know, "Read,
read, read, read, read!"

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And to this day, if
you put music in front of me,

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it just starts getting
wobbly and swimmy and...

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and defocuses.

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Despite having only
two weeks of formal lessons,

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Hans found his home in music.

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I play the piano because it
put a smile on my mum's face.

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It's the only reason.

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It's not the only reason -- it
put a smile on my face, too.

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Hans kicked against the rules,
not just in learning music

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but in everything.

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He was thrown out of
eight schools in Germany

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for not conforming to
the strict discipline demanded.

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The music teacher
threw a chair at me.

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I remember that.

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He always told
stories of his childhood,

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all the shenanigans
he got into --

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crazy thing in boarding
school that got you kicked out.

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He got kicked out of boarding
school quite a few times.

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I know my mum was
really worried about me.

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I think everybody was
really worried about me.

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Hans's rebellious streak

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led to his mother
moving them to England.

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There they found
a progressive school

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where he could
concentrate on his music.

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On graduating,
he followed his dream

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and joined
a band called Krakatoa,

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mainly playing
working men's clubs.

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♪ Don't apologise,
it's not your style ♪

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We were the entertainment
nobody listened to.

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We were so bad, up north,

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we would be the support
act to the strippers.

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♪ Treat your mama good ♪

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And it was interesting
because it was the '80s

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and it was
Margaret Thatcher and it was...

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coal miners' strike.

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Whoa, it was rough up north.

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People were so frustrated.

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You know, you left London
and you entered another world,

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you entered another country.

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And this country was
a country that was desperate

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and it was poor
and it was everything

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that you could only
imagine of the left behind

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and left for forgotten.

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And to this day...

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I have this person
I write my music for.

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And she's fictitious.

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She's called Doris
and she lives in Bradford.

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She has a grey
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is of uncertain age.

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She's got two terrible boys.

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I mean, they're so ill-behaved.

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And her hair-dye job
isn't very good, you know?

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And she works really
hard throughout the week.

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And come
the weekend, she has a choice.

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She has a choice of going
to the pub, having a drink,

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or she has a choice of coming
and seeing one of our movies.

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And she's a hero to
me because she works hard.

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And so when she comes and sees
one of my -- our -- movies,

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I want to make sure that she
gets her money's worth and...

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I promise you.
I mean, every movie,

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I sit there and I go,
"What would Doris think?"

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It's so easy to think about
the past in a nostalgic way.

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Yeah, I loved it. I loved it.

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My friend Warren Cann,
drummer from Ultravox,

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we decided to do
an album together,

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which, absolutely,
we couldn't give away.

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To this day,
we couldn't give it away.

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Oh, and then
we had this crazy idea.

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We did a concert at
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you know, basically,
people looking up at the stars

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and us playing
weird, cosmic music to them

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and scaring the children
in the process of it.

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The 1980s saw
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video and film production.

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Computers and synthesisers
were changing how music

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was made and recorded.

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Hans saw the potential
in all this new technology

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and made
himself the master of it.

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I was seriously
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and I was a lot
skinnier then as well.

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But I still
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and I still make music with it.

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And, you know that sound
that basically pins you

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into your seat when
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That's that beast.

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It was a time where

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you suddenly could have access
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so the whole idea
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was far less
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of "How far could
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Using his know-how
of studio technology?"

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It was in this unassuming yard

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that Hans began to hone his
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Together with
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composer Stanley Myers,

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he set up
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I mean, you can tell from the
glamorous nature of this door

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that this is the door that
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fame and Oscars.

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This used to be my studio.
Actually, it wasn't my studio.

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It was Stanley Myers'
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Absolutely
extraordinary composer.

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I mean, everybody owes a lot
of things to everybody in life.

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My film language, for instance,

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I very much
learned from Stanley.

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It's really simple.

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If you don't have a tune,

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you've got
nothing to hang on to.

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So, this sort of
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actually turned out
to be a haven for us.

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I don't think many
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that you could go and do film
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and not an orchestra,
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I want to be
manager of this place.

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I think I can do it.
Please let me.

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Of course,
"My Beautiful Laundrette,"

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I think, was pretty much
the first thing we did here.

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Stanley Myers
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for "My Beautiful Laundrette,"

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and Hans was
always in the other room.

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So for some reason,
that was where you ended up.

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Stanley was always in the front
room reading the racy news,

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and there was
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in the back doing all the work.

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A skinny,
lanky guy who was German

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with a little computer
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"What the hell's that?"
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- Because -
- I guess it was electronic,

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so Hans was doing it

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because he knew how
to work all those machines

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and he knew how to
make the eccentric sounds.

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Between them, they thought up

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what the film
should sound like.

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And it was pretty obvious
when it was a Stanley piece

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because it was
elegant and beautiful

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and when it was a Hans piece,

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which was a bit like
lead boots.

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And it was all rewrites for me.

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And Stanley would very gently

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steer me
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He's an incredibly
charming man.

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And he was just
absolutely brilliant

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cos he had this new form
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but he also had the wit
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and to be
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Without
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he'd still be a great composer,

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but he wouldn't have been the
successful composer that he is.

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No way.

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It was just a weird thing,

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because, here in England,
you were always an equal.

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I mean, you were totally
involved in the storytelling,

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and that was the thing that
I thought was really exciting,

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these conversations you are
having with film directors,

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which were far
more up my streets

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than just playing in a band.

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I know that he's
the most successful composer

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in the world,

253
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but to me, he's
the boy in the back room.

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It makes me laugh.

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By the late 1980s,
Hans was gaining a reputation

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as a film composer
of British films and TV.

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He is developing fast.

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Yes.

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A knock on the door at
Lillie Yard late one night

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was going to
change his life forever.

261
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You know, 11:00 at night --
musicians' hours.

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Of course we were working.

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So I open the door and
there's a guy standing there

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and he's going,
"Hi. My name's Barry Levinson."

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Pause.

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"I'm a Hollywood director."

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From the first time I met him,

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I thought
that he was extremely talented,

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and that's before he had
worked on any of the music.

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I just got...

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Sometimes you get a feeling
with people that you connect.

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And he came in and...

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I mean, basically, the bottom
line of the story is, he went,

274
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"Do you want to do this film

275
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'Rain Man'
that I'm working on?"

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And I said, "Yes."

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Hans's ideas for "Rain Man"

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were unusual for a traditional
American road movie.

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There's a tendency to
use sort of guitar music,

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that type of
travelling across country,

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and I didn't think it was
appropriate for the piece.

282
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And he came up with that sound,
which was very unique

283
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and very distinctive...

284
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...and very different
than a normal travelling movie.

285
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You know, I'm sure
the studio wasn't thrilled

286
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because it's like, "Alright,
I got somebody, Hans Zimmer,"

287
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and they're going,
"Who?! For this film?

288
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You know, we got
Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman.

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And who is this composer?"

290
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For his first Hollywood movie,

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Hans received
an Oscar nomination.

292
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I went for that lunch that
they have, the Oscar lunch,

293
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and I picked up,
I don't know, five, six, seven.

294
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I mean, I didn't stand up
and say, "Anybody got a movie?"

295
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I just sat there and people
would come up to me and say,

296
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"Hey, do
you wanna do my movie?"

297
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The following
year, he composed the music

298
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for yet another
Oscar-winning film...

299
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"Driving Miss Daisy."

300
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And then in 1994...

301
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♪ Nants ingonyama ♪

302
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♪ Bagithi baba ♪

303
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The first notes that you hear,

304
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you're in.

305
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And it's magic.

306
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♪ Nants ingonyama ♪

307
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And the vocal
that you hear with it...

308
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- ♪ Baba ♪
- ...poetry.

309
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♪ Nqoba ♪

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Musical poetry.

311
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- ♪ Siyo Nqoba ♪
- ♪ Ingonyama ♪

312
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The studio had given Hans a
strict brief about the opening.

313
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It was supposed to be
20 seconds of Elton's song

314
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and then there was going
to be a dialogue scene and...

315
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,080
da-da-da-da, right?

316
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,880
And I forgot
about the 20 seconds.

317
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,880
I just got excited about
doing the chant with Lebo.

318
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Then I did
an arrangement of Elton's tune.

319
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And so I played it to them,
and as I'm playing it to them,

320
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I'm going, "Oh, God, I forgot.

321
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,200
It's supposed to
be 20 seconds long,

322
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,320
and then it's supposed
to become a dialogue piece."

323
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,480
And they sort of
shuffled off into a corner,

324
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,760
and they're talking.

325
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,200
And I know what
they're talking about.

326
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,640
They're talking about,

327
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,280
"Who are
they gonna get to replace me?"

328
00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:04,720
So I'm going over
there, and I'm saying,

329
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,080
"Look, guys, I'm really sorry.

330
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,680
I can do this
thing in 20 seconds."

331
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,200
They're going, "No, no, no!

332
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,280
That's not what
we're talking about at all.

333
00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:11,480
We're thinking we're gonna go

334
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,520
and reanimate the whole
opening.

335
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,280
We're gonna take all that
dialogue out and da-da-da-da."

336
00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:17,720
♪ Ingonyama ♪

337
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,560
It was an experiment,

338
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,160
and what's in
the movie is my original demo.

339
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,480
The African sounds...

340
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,960
♪ Ingonyama ♪

341
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,160
...the unique instruments...

342
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,320
♪ Ingonyama ♪

343
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,160
...it's beyond profound.

344
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♪ The circle of life ♪

345
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And the Oscar goes to Hans
Zimmer for "The Lion King"!

346
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:52,080
So full of life
and wonder and beauty.

347
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,920
I wrote
a speech, but I realised,

348
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,600
"It's so boring,"
so I'm not gonna do it.

349
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,080
I'd like to thank my wife
because she's my best friend.

350
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,680
I'd like to thank my daughter
because she now thinks I'm cool

351
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,120
cos I did "The Lion King"!

352
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,280
I'm incredibly nervous.

353
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,280
I tell you what, writing a
score is much easier than this.

354
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,440
Thank you.
Just let me go, okay?

355
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,320
♪ Circle ♪

356
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,800
I've listened to how many

357
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,440
songs of
how many scores end on...

358
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,600
Exclamation
point that is... amazing

359
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,200
and a signature of his.

360
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,080
The directors and
the producers were coming in

361
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,120
and I hadn't finished it,
so that's why that big drum --

362
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,200
the "Boing!" -- is
there, to distract them

363
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,160
from the fact that I hadn't
finished the track.

364
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,680
Hans used his mastery
of digital technology,

365
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,960
especially sampling, to
change the way movie directors

366
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,800
collaborated
with their composers.

367
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,400
The standard way of working
with a director before Hans

368
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,000
is that there was no
way to present the music

369
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,360
other than to
play it on the piano --

370
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,920
"Here's your theme,

371
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,600
and here's where
the brass comes in down here,

372
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,840
and the strings
are playing this."

373
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,760
You know, I wasn't
as good of a piano player,

374
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,040
but one of the things I figured
out really, really quickly,

375
00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,920
that the best way to
communicate with a filmmaker

376
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,320
was to play them, like,
a fake version of the score,

377
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,320
a synthesised
version of the score.

378
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,160
So basically what
you have is you have

379
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,680
- all the different instruments -
- horns and trumpets.

380
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,880
In those days,
nobody did it like this

381
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,320
other than Hans,
you know? Nobody demoed things.

382
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,960
Nobody, you know,
mocked everything up

383
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,920
so you could
hear it beforehand.

384
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,080
Hans was quite unique that way,
and I liked that method.

385
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,760
I loved technology.
I loved his way of doing it.

386
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,520
And that's why
things changed in film music,

387
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,840
you know, when
he came on the scene.

388
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,240
Part of it was
the technique he was using,

389
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,680
to do it with these "demos."

390
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:15,040
Hans didn't just change the
way composers use technology,

391
00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:16,920
he developed
a sound that influenced

392
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,320
a whole generation of
movie composers and directors.

393
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,680
I'm fascinated
by the idea of time.

394
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,760
The ticking
happens a lot in my stuff.

395
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,200
Rather than going
for a groovy rhythm,

396
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,000
it's ticking without accents.

397
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,520
It doesn't give the game away,

398
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,720
where the next
part or the next cut is.

399
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,120
It just is
like a river flowing.

400
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,320
And it sort of
takes you on a journey.

401
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,880
In his score for
the film "The Thin Red Line,"

402
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,560
he developed
a technique of building

403
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,280
an incredible
tension over very long scenes.

404
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,400
What it got
was this incredible

405
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,200
sort of feeling
of fate and dread.

406
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,160
It really was
unique at the time.

407
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,400
There's not really
anything that quite does that.

408
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,080
He's very influential.

409
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,200
It's part of
the language of filmmaking now.

410
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,080
I completely
ripped him off on that.

411
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,160
I've ripped him off on other
times, and then other times...

412
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,080
I mean, there's
probably a few little moments

413
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,520
where he's ripped me off back.

414
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,520
It was everything that music
school tells you you can't do.

415
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,520
So there was the...

416
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,280
You're not supposed
to do parallel things.

417
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,520
And they're all minors.

418
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,400
And it's asymmetrical.

419
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,280
You know, music
school will teach you

420
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,840
you're not supposed
to do things

421
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,280
in these sort of parallels.

422
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,680
They're not chords.

423
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,360
A chord needs three notes.

424
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,640
This is two notes, always.

425
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,960
And it just sort
of meanders in this...

426
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,480
while this note always stays...

427
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,800
So, you get these
really interesting clashes.

428
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,480
And it became a sort of...

429
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,920
a new language in film.

430
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,320
By the 2000s,
Hans had established himself

431
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,840
as one of the top
composers in Hollywood.

432
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,400
He was always looking
for a new way of doing things.

433
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,920
Along with his business
partner Steve Kofsky,

434
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,560
he built a studio
complex in Santa Monica,

435
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,040
expanding
it over several decades,

436
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,560
where teams of
composers and sound technicians

437
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,600
work on movies,
TV shows and documentaries.

438
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,960
- Hello, boys.
- Hi.

439
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,840
What you guys
working on at the moment?

440
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,280
Erm..."His Dark Materials,"
"Wheel of Time."

441
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,160
People here get the
opportunity to rub shoulders

442
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,760
with the right
kind of directors.

443
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,600
I mean, you know,
guys actually sit in meetings.

444
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,080
You know, Hans brings...

445
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,680
Whoever's working on
the project with Hans,

446
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,080
for example,
will be in a meeting.

447
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,320
This was your big idea,

448
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,560
so I just want to make
sure I don't destroy it.

449
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,320
The beauty of
the old show was it was full...

450
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,680
He wasn't afraid to bring
in his team into a meeting.

451
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,200
Don't break it.

452
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,640
There's always been
ghost-writers in films,

453
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,560
but Hans opened up the door
to all of his assistants...

454
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,320
...who were able to
experience the meeting

455
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,400
and take that for their own
careers moving forward.

456
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,680
At the centre of
the complex lies Hans's studio,

457
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,880
an extension of
his own personality.

458
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,120
I, as a European
working in America,

459
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,240
I miss a Europe that doesn't
actually exist any more.

460
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,240
And I myself had these doubts
about staying here, you know?

461
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,840
And I wanted to go -- I wanted
to go back to Europe.

462
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,160
And I thought,
"Hang on. This is Hollywood.

463
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,240
You know, you can be and
build whatever you want to do."

464
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,680
So I was very precise about
my thinking about this room...

465
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,480
even though it just sort of
looks like some crazed German

466
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,280
tossed it together...

467
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,600
because I knew
I was going to spend

468
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,160
90%, probably,
of my life in this room.

469
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,200
I thought I might as
well have some fun with it

470
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,560
and do something
which lets people

471
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080
speak their mind, you know?

472
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,840
A room that is safe.

473
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,960
Hans works in a space that
removes you from the world.

474
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,640
You've never been
in a space like it.

475
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,480
It's always been
fun to hang out there,

476
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,600
sometimes watch him suffer,

477
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,720
have a glass of
wine while he suffers.

478
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,600
The environment
inside his studio

479
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,560
is so alive with exploration

480
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,560
and discovery
that it's a blast.

481
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,160
You know,
the sort of samurai thing,

482
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080
and it's really
kind of, you know...

483
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,560
This room is like
a Buddhist sort of...

484
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,040
Old Buddhist temple.
And...what else?

485
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,760
The keyboard and whatnot,
you know?

486
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,400
And you just sit on a nice
couch and you just feel it,

487
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,760
you talk about it,
you feel it, you talk about it,

488
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,760
you feel it, you talk
about it. And he's on the keys.

489
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,440
He's on the keys,
he's feeling it.

490
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,800
You know, he's almost,
like, having the conversation

491
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,360
with the keys as
you talk about it.

492
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,680
And then you find,
"Hey, hey, hey, what's that?

493
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,440
What's that? What's that note?

494
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,160
Do that again.
Is this written down?

495
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,680
Okay, it's being recorded.

496
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,920
Okay, it's
being recorded. Okay."

497
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,400
He doesn't
want to read a script.

498
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,080
So he...It's...

499
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,680
You know, it's like
being psychoanalysed.

500
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,200
He wants to...

501
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,040
You know, he wants me
to tell him the story.

502
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,280
Because we had
talked about that...

503
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,880
Not only tell him
the story but, like,

504
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640
"Why must I tell the story?"

505
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280
It's about
getting the big picture.

506
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,320
It's about figuring
out what moves somebody,

507
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,400
what doesn't move somebody.

508
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,040
It's about playfulness. Right.

509
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,400
That's why I don't take notes.

510
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,880
Why take notes?

511
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,400
You know, we'll just record it.

512
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,880
We'll just
listen to it afterwards.

513
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,720
Okay, this part
of our meeting...

514
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,560
There's nothing
that stops playfulness

515
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,920
more than seeing
somebody taking notes.

516
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,080
You know, suddenly it's a job.

517
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,800
And he asks all
kinds of questions, you know?

518
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,520
And I think he's
searching for an angle.

519
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,280
And then at some point,
he'll be like, "That's it."

520
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,960
Womp, womp, womp. Instead of...

521
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,280
In the case of
"Pirates," it was...

522
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,080
He was technically unavailable,

523
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,840
but I really
think he just thought

524
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,760
it was a failed
endeavour from the outset.

525
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,080
Just the genre,
just a pirate movie,

526
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,880
was like, "What are
you doing?" Like, "Pass!"

527
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,440
You know, but in a "nice" way.

528
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Like, "I'm doing
'Mission: Impossible.'

529
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,640
I can't do
your pirate movie." And so...

530
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,120
So when we were done editing,

531
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,880
I brought it to him
and played it to him.

532
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760
And I think he sort of shifted

533
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,440
and he started
playing at that little...

534
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,080
They had fired
the original composer.

535
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,160
That's very interesting.

536
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560
And we had three
weeks to finish the score.

537
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,720
So, Hans went home...

538
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
and started writing.

539
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,920
And he wrote all
the themes overnight.

540
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,880
And then we talked,
you know, at length about,

541
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,480
like, the drunken waltz.

542
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Like, "Why is Jack
like that with his sea legs?"

543
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,080
What is that? Sort of...

544
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,360
It's not just a waltz,
it's a kind of slurred waltz.

545
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,040
Keep a sharp eye.

546
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,080
So, the character
of Jack Sparrow is...

547
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,880
The notes go up, positive.

548
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Sort of,
you know, the innocence.

549
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,520
There's like
an innocence, hope in there.

550
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,640
You know, it's like, "Oh, I can
go and do anything, right?"

551
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,480
Now...

552
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,080
...this bit...

553
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,920
...is a bit naughty, right?

554
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,560
That's the wrong chord.

555
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,960
So, you go from naughty to,
you know, he's doing something.

556
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,840
- It's still -
- It's still benign,

557
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,040
but it's
definitely the wrong chord.

558
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,680
Here we are.

559
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,880
We're back on the safety
of the optimism, but...

560
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,880
the devil's fifth...

561
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,200
to a minor chord.

562
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,960
So, that's part
of his character.

563
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,360
He is definitely naughty.

564
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,880
And then he does
something unexpected.

565
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960
He changes key right
in the middle of the phrase,

566
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,560
but only for one second.

567
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,560
And it resolves in
a sort of classical way,

568
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,280
which is really a lie

569
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,920
because he goes to
something even naughtier,

570
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,200
etcetera, etcetera.

571
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,920
So each phrase
is part of his...

572
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,960
I'm describing his character.

573
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,920
It kind of rolls like
you're on the deck of a boat.

574
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,160
Boat and rum make
for unsteady rhythms.

575
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,640
It's not clever. It's just fun.

576
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,320
I think Hans has an approach,
which I wouldn't call unifying,

577
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,280
but I do recognise
it over and over again.

578
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,440
It's this great
ability to build a theme.

579
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,960
In the "Da Vinci Code," Hans
refined the technique

580
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,600
he pioneered in
"The Thin Red Line"

581
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,160
of using a small number
of notes to create complex,

582
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,760
driving themes.

583
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,560
I mean, this is so simple.

584
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,040
The simpler these
things are, the more I fear

585
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,880
I'm going to get found out.

586
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,640
I mean, look, I can't think of
any artist who doesn't think,

587
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
"They're gonna catch me
at it. They're gonna find out."

588
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,440
You get some very simple notes

589
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,120
that inspire other
simple notes that go with it,

590
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,760
and you can go and
play with these rounds.

591
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,280
It's not easy,

592
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,160
but it's incredibly
powerful and stirring.

593
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,080
That's one of
his patterns that you will see

594
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,360
and with different kinds

595
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,640
of themes,
different sorts of tunes.

596
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,120
Some of them are
just one or two notes.

597
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Some are very
melodic, like this one.

598
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,840
But getting
that music, through repetition,

599
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,160
to sort of
evolve into something

600
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,280
go from one place to another,

601
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,840
well, that's what every
movie wants to be is a journey.

602
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,280
And, you know,
his cues often convey that.

603
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,320
It's a journey.
It takes you on a journey,

604
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,440
and you add
experiences every time round.

605
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,080
I mean, you've heard it,

606
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,760
so now you need to add
another layer of experience,

607
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,680
a layer of time,
layer of something to it.

608
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,080
This technique of
creating longer themes

609
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,400
that build and build
found their ultimate expression

610
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,040
in the films of one of
Hans's key collaborators.

611
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,400
I've never liked music that
feels layered onto the movie,

612
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600
like sauce going
onto a piece of meat.

613
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,280
You know, to me, good film
music really should be baked

614
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,400
into the DNA of
what the actual film is

615
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,800
and woven into
the fabric of the film itself.

616
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,360
And Hans was very on
board with that process.

617
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,920
There's
certain things which...

618
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,320
I know they're good ideas,

619
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,640
but I'm not good
enough to do them yet,

620
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:56,640
so I use the next
movie to actually go

621
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,560
and get a little
bit better at them.

622
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,920
Hans's work with Nolan

623
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,520
would result in some of
his most memorable scores,

624
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,360
involving war movies,

625
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120
dream-stealers...

626
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400
...and superheroes.

627
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,680
It's not
who I am underneath...

628
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,920
but what I do...

629
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,400
that defines me.

630
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,080
What he was
doing on "Batman Begins"

631
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,560
is he was distilling
the essence of this great icon,

632
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,800
not into a complex
melody, into an idea

633
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,640
of almost the sound effects
approach of these bat flaps,

634
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,240
these kind of
big whooshes of noise.

635
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,400
Literally two notes,
but the recording process

636
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,160
that went into
that -- the layering process,

637
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,480
the hundreds and
hundreds of tracks of sound

638
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,400
that is supporting that,

639
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,760
musically and
harmonically and all the rest,

640
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,560
and the different combinations
that allowed from us --

641
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,160
is extraordinary.

642
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,520
At times, the music
is very, very minimal,

643
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,920
but the production methodology
is always extremely expansive

644
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,440
and full of design
ideas and imagination.

645
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,400
I mean, that's nothing, right?

646
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,560
And then the theme is...

647
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,720
It's two notes, right?

648
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,280
That's it.

649
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,440
And only at
the end does it break.

650
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,880
And it goes...

651
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,880
Still the same two notes.

652
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,760
And it becomes
triumphant for one moment...

653
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,640
...before
it recedes back into darkness.

654
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,560
You know, just for
one moment, you can see...

655
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,640
You know, quite maniacal.

656
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,320
He's fascinated
just by sound itself,

657
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,400
beyond the emotional
qualities of music.

658
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,880
He has the best
samples, for example,

659
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,600
of anyone in the world,

660
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,920
but he continually
strives to improve them.

661
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:24,640
When it came to
"The Joker Suite,"

662
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,160
I remember talking to him.

663
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,680
He was like,
"I'm convinced that the Joker

664
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,320
should be a piece of music
and started from one note."

665
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,080
I was like,
"Oh, God, here we go!"

666
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,120
You know, but if anyone
could do it, it would be --

667
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,800
That's more
the thought of an inventor.

668
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,520
- Do you see what I mean?
- Come on, come on!

669
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,200
I want you to do it.
I want you to do it.

670
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,760
Come on, hit
me. Come on, hit me!

671
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,760
There's something
anarchic about the Joker.

672
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,680
Hit me!

673
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,400
By the time I'd bumped
into him again, he was like,

674
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,480
"I think I have to concede.
It has to be two notes."

675
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,320
So, he spent ages on this,

676
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,760
and it became the iconic,
sort of distorted violin thing

677
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,920
that's just
the two notes going...

678
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,560
I thought that Joker was

679
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,280
the most interesting
character in that movie.

680
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,960
He was always in
control of the situation

681
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,880
and was the only one
who always spoke the truth.

682
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,040
And then this idea
of these endless rises

683
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,640
that start in one
pitch and just climb and climb

684
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,320
and climb and climb and climb.

685
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Ay!

686
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,280
Come on!

687
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,720
This idea of just
one note metamorphosising

688
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
in this absolute incredible...

689
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,400
and very quietly as well.

690
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,520
I wanted you to lean in
a little bit to pick it out.

691
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,400
I wanted you to
lean in to the darkness.

692
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Could you please
just give me a minute?!

693
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,120
That, to me,

694
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,880
is something no-one
had really ever done.

695
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,240
You had people who wrote

696
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,760
extremely note-y
symphonic music

697
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,960
and you had, like,
rock guys

698
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,520
who just about
crossed over enough

699
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160
to be able to
scramble together a film score,

700
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,800
but to have someone
sort of right in the middle

701
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,360
who could sort of steal

702
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,280
the underlying
structural techniques

703
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,520
of modern, popular music

704
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,280
and then understand
enough of all the vocabulary

705
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,080
of all sorts of
different kinds of,

706
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,320
and often symphonic, music
and sort of put that together.

707
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,520
People don't even
need to think about this

708
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,320
when they're watching a movie,

709
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,080
but it's one of the reasons
that he's able to deliver

710
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,280
so much of the feeling
you need and the storytelling

711
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,960
without being
invasive and fussy and pompous.

712
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,520
The more I worked
with Hans, the more I realised

713
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,080
the value of
his creative contributions

714
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,160
to the conceptual underpinnings
of what the films could be.

715
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,080
With prompting from Nolan,

716
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,520
Hans developed radical
new ways of scoring a movie.

717
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,760
With "Interstellar,"

718
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,920
I actually got him to do
his first demo

719
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,440
on the basis of a short
letter that I wrote him,

720
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,760
explaining the feelings,

721
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,240
the sort of fable
at the heart

722
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,880
of what the film
was going to be

723
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,520
without even
telling him the genre.

724
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,600
And I did that while
I was writing the script.

725
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,960
I gave him one day to
give me his first impression

726
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,760
of the emotions
I was talking about.

727
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,920
And what he did
for me in that one day

728
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,320
became the basis
of the entire score.

729
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,920
Chris made me write this
whole score away from picture.

730
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,320
It was a good experiment.

731
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,600
I was writing freely.

732
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,600
You know, I wasn't a slave
to the edit, as it were.

733
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,840
He stopped
writing pieces of music

734
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,160
that are integral to
the structure of the film,

735
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,320
and he started
just writing music

736
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,040
and not watching the picture.

737
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,040
So, he would
create a 35-minute piece

738
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,440
that he would
try against picture

739
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,760
and it would
inform, then, the process.

740
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,320
By writing these
big, long pieces of music,

741
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,400
it gives you more of
a sense of what the picture is

742
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,160
and how the music can help it.

743
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,840
A couple months ago,
I was rewatching the movie

744
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,520
with my friends
and we're all sobbing.

745
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,680
And I realised that the way

746
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,320
that my friends were
experiencing the movie

747
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,120
was completely
different from how I was,

748
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,080
because I was able to hear
how my father loves, you know,

749
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,280
because that movie is
about a father and a daughter.

750
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,160
And to be able to
hear how my father loves

751
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:32,840
and how he sees his children,

752
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,640
I think, is probably the
greatest privilege of my life.

753
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,200
He worked really, really hard.

754
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,320
You'd catch him in the
mornings, catch him at night.

755
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,280
But throughout the day,

756
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,840
every single
day, he was working.

757
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,880
Yeah, I'm glad
that he takes more breaks now,

758
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,880
not just for us to be
able to spend time with him

759
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,120
but also for himself.

760
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,200
Because he hasn't
been around in my life --

761
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,520
and the life of his children --

762
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,880
all too much, he's tried
to really make up for it.

763
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,120
I think every
parent comes with flaws,

764
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,760
but he's really tried
to show us how he can love.

765
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,360
He doesn't always say it, but
he shows us with his gestures.

766
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,080
He tells you with
his eyes, "I understand.

767
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,840
I'm here.

768
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,040
I'm sorry I wasn't
earlier, but I'm here now."

769
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,680
Having conquered
the world of superheroes

770
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,600
and science-fiction epics,

771
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,880
Hans was on the lookout for new
collaborators and new projects.

772
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,640
He sought one out.

773
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,640
It was a world away
from Hollywood blockbusters.

774
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,600
I made a film called "Shame."

775
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,520
And there was a piece of music,
there was a little temp music

776
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,040
we were using by Hans Zimmer.

777
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,520
It was close to him,
but not exactly.

778
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,080
So we were
just playing with it.

779
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,600
I thought it was great.
I thought it was okay.

780
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,280
It's not that piece of music,
obviously not.

781
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,440
But, yeah, it is obviously
hugely inspired by it.

782
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,960
So I was in New Orleans,
in a hotel room,

783
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,880
and I get this
call early in the morning

784
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,240
and it's Hans Zimmer.

785
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,840
And I said, "Oh, shit,

786
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,160
this guy's gonna
sue me or something.

787
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,640
What's going on?"
I immediately thought...

788
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,080
He goes, "No,
no, no, no, no, no!

789
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,080
But why didn't
you ask me to work with you?"

790
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,520
I thought, "Well, I never
thought I could, you know."

791
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,200
He was like,
you know, "You should ask me.

792
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,720
I'm interested in
working with filmmakers,

793
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,240
great filmmakers
like yourself."

794
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,400
I said, "Okay,
well, I'm working on this film

795
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,760
called '12 Years a Slave.'

796
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,800
Are you interested
in working on it?"

797
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,080
He goes, "Yeah, of course!"

798
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,080
"Okay, but
you're pretty expensive."

799
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,520
"Don't worry about that.

800
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,560
Listen, I would
love to work with you."

801
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,960
And that was it.

802
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,520
That was the start
of our relationship.

803
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Hans is lavish
with what he brings you.

804
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
You know, "12 Years a Slave"
is the really good example,

805
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,120
that we were
there with empty pockets

806
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,320
and he was
getting people on planes

807
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,520
and first-class musicians
to come over from Germany

808
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,920
and start working
with us and developing...

809
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,440
You know, we wanted a kind
of slightly home-made feel

810
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,440
about some of the score
in "12 Years a Slave,"

811
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,840
particularly in that area

812
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,800
where he's trying
to write using juice.

813
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,400
I loved working on it so much.

814
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,960
I thought it was important.

815
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,040
Nobody believed in it.

816
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,080
We had no budget.

817
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,920
It's very few of us,
but I remember

818
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,040
Steve being in
the room, and it's like...

819
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,960
The intimacy was vital.

820
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,280
It was a very low-budget film,

821
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,160
and it was
really Hans's generosity

822
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,880
at bringing
the right ingredient over

823
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,080
and getting
him to work with us.

824
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,080
I'm a short-order cook.

825
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,560
You know, I go out, I find...

826
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:56,960
I go shopping.

827
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,280
Oh, good
ingredients -- you know,

828
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,880
fresh tomatoes, special...

829
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,280
"Oh, look at those carrots!

830
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,080
They look
really good," you know?

831
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,680
And then I spend forever
peeling and chopping, etcetera.

832
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,040
And because
the ingredients are fresh

833
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,200
and the ingredients
are delicious,

834
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,560
I'm hoping it's gonna be okay.

835
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,680
He's like a kid that doesn't
want to do his homework,

836
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,280
and it's like,
"Come on, what the fuck?"

837
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,880
But at the same
time, he's working.

838
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,280
He's... It's
working, he's working.

839
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,880
Shit takes time. You know,
anything takes time. You know?

840
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,360
This desire
never to be pigeonholed

841
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,040
even led him to
score Natural History films.

842
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,720
Hans brought all
his feature-film experience

843
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:48,960
to these projects.

844
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,800
The iguana
and the snake scene.

845
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,440
The best car
chase nobody ever filmed.

846
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,240
I know every director is
just immensely envious of it.

847
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,280
He's always changed.
He changes and changes.

848
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,520
Yeah, he uses
a sound for a while

849
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,280
as he kind of perfects
it, and then there's this era

850
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,200
of that sound on films,
and then he'll change again.

851
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,280
He gets bored
with his own sound.

852
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,680
Hans's most recent work

853
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,160
not only earned
him his second Oscar,

854
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:51,720
but it might be
the most radical

855
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,680
reinvention of his sound ever.

856
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,080
His brief was to
create what the director,

857
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,360
Denis Villeneuve,
described as an alien score.

858
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,360
The idea for doing that,
it should be a score

859
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,400
that will use
unknown instruments...

860
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,320
that the sound
would be something

861
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,200
that would come
from another time,

862
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,120
from another place.

863
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,440
It was also very important
that the score would have

864
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,960
some kind of spiritual quality.

865
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,440
It's one of
the main theme of "Dune,"

866
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,160
is that exploration of religion

867
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,600
and the danger of mixing
religion and politics together.

868
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,640
It was really important for me

869
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,600
to find a great female voice...

870
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,120
...and then frame her...

871
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,520
with all these instruments

872
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,480
which we built,
which we synthesised,

873
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,240
which we drove people crazy
that write software, you know.

874
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,880
"Can you build me a resonator
that will turn Tina Guo's cello

875
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,840
into a Tibetan war horn?"

876
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,120
"What does
a Tibetan war horn sound like?"

877
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,240
"I have no idea."

878
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,240
As much as he has designed
all those alien instruments,

879
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,600
he decided that the instrument
that will have survived

880
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,040
10,000 years in the future
will be the bagpipes.

881
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,280
He started to
compose with the bagpipes,

882
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,760
which was, like, very fresh,
surprising and interesting.

883
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,640
And the Oscar goes
to Hans Zimmer, "Dune."

884
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,840
I don't think anybody's
ever won an Oscar for a score

885
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,040
that blatantly is
bagpipes, heavy-metal guitars

886
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,640
and a woman screaming at you.

887
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,640
"What's going on
here? Where are the strings?

888
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,000
Where are the nice things?"

889
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,040
It was just
a provocative thing.

890
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,520
Hans began
his musical career in a band

891
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,760
touring working men's clubs.

892
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,080
His life has turned full circle

893
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,880
as he takes
his scores on the road.

894
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,720
But these days,
the venues have changed.

895
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,280
His enthusiasm has increased.

896
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,920
I think it's going out on tour
that's responsible for that.

897
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,640
He loves
the people he works with.

898
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,400
He loves touring. It feeds him.

899
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,840
It nurtures him.

900
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,120
When he's on a stage,
there's nobody who quite

901
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,760
has that relationship
with the audience.

902
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,640
They come in to see a maestro
and they end up seeing

903
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,600
somebody who feels like a
friend by the end of the show.

904
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,600
I used to be so
afraid of being on stage,

905
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,320
but nowadays,
it was just like dinner party

906
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,080
with 12,000
people, just having a chat.

907
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080
He's basically had a midlife
crisis and become a rock star.

908
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,520
I'm still learning something.

909
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,640
I just want to use all
those things I've learned.

910
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:46,600
And I want to go and play
with all these synthesisers,

911
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,280
and I want to go and
tell all these stories,

912
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,200
and I want to go and
work with all these directors.

913
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,560
He is not
the norm, and that's, like,

914
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,840
why he has
the career that he does.

915
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,280
Like, he doesn't
want to do things

916
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,480
the way other
people have done it,

917
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,560
and he thrives on it.

918
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,920
You know, he loves it.

919
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,760
Things moved really fast.

920
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Life isn't as
long as you think it is.

921
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,680
You have a choice.

922
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,480
You can go and try
to live a playful life,

923
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:19,160
or you can go and live a life
which excludes playfulness.

924
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,880
And it doesn't
get you anywhere.

925
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,920
Playfulness gets you somewhere.

926
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,320
It's fun, it's
inspiring, just making a racket

927
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,880
and hopefully
have a bit of a laugh.

928
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,440
It's wonderful.




